Here is another chat I did for this chatroom I'm in. When you read the word "psi" think the Force. Same difference really, but the points still apply to the Force. Feel free to ask ANY questions you might have.

alright hey guys welcome to this weeks lecture on the dangers of psi remember to please save all questions until later...and if you have anyone whom you think might want to be involved please bring them in now.....now il give Karen the floor
karen*
Welcome to this chat. The planned chat has been changed due to unforeseen problems, I'll be setting in. This is a little bit of a last minute thing so bare with me
Today we will go over the different kinds of dangers psions face every day, in every practice, and with each other. My notes come from personal experiences, as well as common feelings and thoughts, as well as other sources. You may not agree with all statements, but I ask that you hear me out and hold all comments and questions to the end. There will be no
practice afterwards, but you are more than welcome to hang around and chat. We will go over who is doing to next chat (or two) for next Saturday. If you wish you teach, I encourage you to go to our new website and look over suggested topics and pick one.
and with that, I will start the chat
One more note: please feel free to invite anyone you want. It's quite alright that they are late, so long as they are quiet coming in. Pm staff members for help or questions
Today's topic will cover these kinds of dangers: overloads (energy and empathy), attacks (sparring and combat), training, psi vampires, and TPS
Overloads
There are two kinds of overloads. Energy and empathy. if you were here for my advance empathy lecture (part 1) you would have learned a lot about empathy overload. Although this chat will go over that kind of overload, we will more focus on energy.
An energy overload is when a person, psion or not, feels too much energy in their body. We are much like machines in that we can only take so much energy before it becomes too much and problems start happening.
Mind you, anyone, non psions can have an energy overload happen to them. For "non" psions, those who are not aware of psi or use said energy, tend to get overloaded because they have yet to learn to shield against the energy and are naturally more open to the energy than most people
these people tend, but no promise, to be more "powerful" or more sensitive to energy, giving them a possible advantage in psionics. Though remember, being powerful doesn't make you cool or great. It often is more of a burden than anything else
Energy overloads feel like a person is...well has too much energy. They may feel like they are shaking, can't sit still or think. They are nervous, antsy. they might feel like they are going to explode if they don't do something or get rid of the energy
unlike empathy overloads, which usually are caused by the enviroment or by a certain person, there is really no one thing that causes an energy overload
Though there are some "situations" or activities that can help attribute to them. If you practice too much or too hard without grounding and shielding you can overload. Sparring can lead to overloads. Fooling around with energy or purposely seeing how much energy you can take in at once will lead to an overload
you might wonder why are overloads so bad? Well, short term, there is some discomfort (more or less depending on much how energy you have in you), but long term, it can be pretty nasty.
If you repeatedly overload, do not shield, and do not take care of yourself you can become extremely sensitive to headaches and get overloaded easier. You can get to the point you can't stand to touch psi or be around those who can.
You also could cause overloads to other people, since you have no control over your own energy.
This might seem extreme, and it really is. For most people, this will remain an unrealized fear and can be easily avioded
Lear to shield and ground. You can use a very simple shield to keep a certain amount of energy away from you and not have to keep it all out. If you know how to ground, you will want to do that before and after every practice if you are the type to get overloaded.
For those who are not psions, but get overloaded, they need the most help. Explain to the person what is going on and why. then walk them step by step of how to ground:
Take a few deep breathes. Clear your mind and relax. It's very important not to panic. Now focus on the energy within. It may seem overwhelming, but it can be controlled.
You can control this energy. You are going to send it out of your body. Imagine the energy as a ribbon, water, mist, something you can imagine flowing and moving. See this water move through you and down to your feet. Send the energy out of your feet, into the ground, and spreading away from you. Repeat this until you are not overloaded anymore and then
set up a shield and relax. You may feel tired or drained. This is normal
For empathy overloads, you will want to shield and ground as well. For grounding, you will want to do the same process, but focus on the emotions inside of you instead of energy
and we will take a 3 min break.
Attacks
There are many kinds of attacks, but what I'm going to focus on is sparring and combat, as those are very popular topics, especially for some guys
To make it very very very clear: I do not support, like, encourage any kind of psionic activity that is meant to hurt or cause problems to anyone, psion or not, experienced or not, wanted it or not
that goes for me too
and again it wont be tolerated here...
But as it has been pointed out to me numerous times, a psion can not ignore or deny the possibility of attacks and how to defend oneself. So with that, I will cover what attacks there are, why attacks happen, briefly what to do, and why exact attacks are not cool and should not be practiced, by anyone.
I'm well aware that there are those who will strongly disagree, but considering the views of this chatroom and a good amount of psions, I ask that you keep your opinions to yourself and express your thoughts later on and in a well mannered way.
Sparring vs combat.
in my eyes, sparring is the practicing of skills, usually testing shielding skills, although one could practice psi ball throwing, tps, overloads, and constructs.
sparring is done with both parties (or more) knowing and agreeing to rules and terms. Sparring is usually not meant to cause harm, only to test and sharpen skill. Sparring often and should have a third party to act as referee and to make sure the rules are being followed and no one is getting hurt.
Combat is an purposed act of causing harm to another unsuspecting person. Usually done in the form of revenge, but not always. Not many people actually practice combat, but it does happen from time to time and everyone should be aware of it.
I believe that psiwolf does not allow either to be practiced or talked about in this chatroom, but this is a special case and it is asked that you do not abuse it.
*nods*
Sparring tends to have somewhat of a negative reputation to it only because people aren't always bright about it. It's like in any kind of fighting, if you get a stronger person vs a weaker person, it's very likely the weaker person is going to get hurt because of their strength, skill, and lack of experience.
After teaching newbies for a long time, I can only strong suggest that newbies wait a while before they start sparring. Watch it, learn it, practice shielding, sending energy, and such, but wait if you insist in partaking in the "sport".
Make sure you get an equal or less opponent, or if you are learning from a more experienced psion, make it clear you are new and that when you say "stop" the person actually stops. If you do spar, do not push yourself or into backed up into a mental corner that you can't win. This is not the time for the ego to get a hold of you. If you want to learn and
learn safely, be practical and honest.
You will want to learn a wide range of shielding skills, practicing grounding before and after as you can get overloaded, and know how to heal. there are those who will also heal any damage that happens, though not everyone has the skill or knowledge to heal or is willing to when hearing you were sparring.
Combat
It's serious. It's not cool. It's dangerous, rude, ill mannered, not funny, and not good for the reputation, should you care about such things.
Combat can be someone trying to break your shield, energy, your mind, trying to control you, or mess with you and your emotions. It's very scary to be attacked. You don't always know who or why. The attacker is probably stronger than you and if they do break shields or enter your mind, you're pretty much screwed in terms of defending yourself
But if you have the strength and mind set, you might just stand a chance. Remain calm and cool. Getting pissed won't help you that much (plus the attacker might find this amusing and laugh at you or do worse)
been there...
on both sides of it >.>
Try to think who would this. Try to trace their psi sig, or their "scent" in psi. Next you need to push the other person away and shield. Ground. Get away from the computer and do NOT talk, bad mouth or attack the attacker.
Again, not the time for egos.\
You might have damage or simply be scared. You need to calm down, relax, and rest.
Now some people are stupid, I hate to say it. But they are. They purpose asked to be attacked, or annoy someone who is known to do so. Don't mess with the bull if you don't want the horns.
But there is another side to attacking: from the many people who have come running to me, claiming to be attacked, never were. It's easy to panic, to be paranoid, and be scared of such things. It's easy to fool yourself into thinking you were just because you felt something, thought someone was mad at you, or hear them threaten an attack.
Please, stop, breathe, and really think if this is a real attack. There is a good chance there isn't and frankly, claiming that you got attacked doesn't make you cool or impressive.
and with that, we'll take another 3 min break. feel free to talk
Training
It's pretty simple: don't train too hard, too long, the wrong way, and listen and respect your body and your limitations
When you train with any skill, tp, tk, empathy, shielding, even psi balls, you can only practice so long before you start to feel tired.
As you keep training, pushing through the tiredness, you will experience a small headache. If you are stubborn and can ignore the pain, this headache will grow and grow, causing the problems that headaches do. You can even get or trigger a migraine.
Eventually, your mind will take over and cut you off from psi and you won't be able to train.
Now why do I know this? Because I have done it. Yep, kept training until I was literally cut off from psi, though not from the pain or the tiredness. Let me tell you, you do not want to go there. It is far from fun.
If you are so stubborn that you keep training like this, long term effects are over sensitive to the lightest amount of psi. Meaning feeling a tiny bit can cause a headache. You can lose your skills, or not be able to do as well as you once could. And again, I've been there. It wasn't fun and I'm lucky it didn't last for too long, only 6 months
How to avoid this? Easy. If articles and people didn't drill it into your head: don't train for too long. 5-30 min practices a few times a day is enough. Listen to yourself. If you get tired after 5 minutes, so be it. Don't push yourself. You won't advance that much by that method. Little practices throughout the day will help you more than long,
painful sessions.
And if you are practicing with someone better, stronger, more skilled than you, don't get upset that you can't keep up. You'll get there eventually. Psionics isn't a race. Psi has been here for a very very long time and aint going anywhere and you have plenty of time. Enjoy the training and the learning.
ok 2 min break
on with Psi Vampires
There is a lot of myth and rumors about them. The media doesn't help with all the vampire movies, books and such. Yet, like psionics, they aren't all bad or good
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I have had psi vampire friends. even dated one. They are normal people, like us, that just have a weird problem, if problem is the right word.
Most, and I mean most, aren't evil, energy sucking ruthless monsters. Most, naturally, unconscious take, gather energy from other people because they can't get enough to be stable themselves. They don't mean to and often aren't aware that they are even doing it. Most aren't psionics, but because they take the same energy that psions use, they get the name
of psi vampires
Now if you go to their sites, yeah it seems like they are from the movies or a cult. That's just the site, not the individual people. You shouldn't stereotype them, even though you want to or have been taught to. Of course, this doesn't mean they are helpless victims either.
Psi vampires drain people around them, online or in real life, of energy. You can tell because you'll be more tired than usual, feeling emotional drained and perhaps down. Though beware of these signs of a cold or a long hard day. When I dated one, I was often more calm and less hyper and bouncy. But I was lucky, My boyfriend knew he was one.
If you wish to protect yourself, shielding is your best option. Also physical distance if possible or letting the person know to stop (only if they know who they are)
And the last, shortest topic: TPS
or telepathic suggestion. Also mistakenly known as mind control or Jedi mind trick (no, stop with that teasing, joking thought you have in your head)
Tps is real, can be done by many psions, including me, but isn't quite as easy as it sounds.
It involves decent telepathic skills such as linking, sending, and understanding how the mind works. This is not a skill for the newbies.
And to "control" the mind of another again is really not that easy. You aren't going to stupidly wave your hand around and convince your parent that you did your homework. and yes, for the strong minded and stubborn, they are harder to influence
salmost impossible
Now the difference between tps and mind control is that tps is a milder, gentler, less aggressive version of mind control. It plants a suggestion, not a command.
For example: I have done both tps and mind control on my cat. I have suggested that he gets sleepy and takes a nap with me and I have found the part of his brain that decides sleep or not and commanded it to go to sleep.
TPS and mind control is not cool. It is a form of attack. It takes away the will of others. It is done without permission or knowledge of what is going on.
I do not encourage it, but if you so badly want to learn it, try it with animals as they are easier to control due to their lesser mental process (how much brain do you need to be a fish?) and telling them to sit, wag their tail, come to you, or sleep is not exactly that horrible.
if you really really want to practice it on a human, get permission. Don't play games with your teacher. Even if you didn't do the work, didn't want to be called on or whatever your reason is. There is a 99% chance your teacher doesn't know what's going on. To put it simple, would you want someone to do it to you without you knowing?
And with that I end the lecture and open the floor to questions and comments. Please "raise" your hand or whatever to be called on
seriously, feel free to ask
* psychomantis raises hand
go
so tps is a suggestion and mind control is a command, do they both work the same way, i mean what are the differences exactly
comments on mind control with permission and full understanding and explaination?
to pitcipant
they work the same way, but a person that has tps practiced on them, can decide if they want to follow it or not. A command, a far less likely chance
uhh sure maeror?
just wondering your comments on it
could you explain yourself a bit more clearly? sorry I don't know what you are asking
* psychomantis raises hand
go
speaking of dangers of psi, in your experience, can psi harm someone physically
well theory or reality?
theory: yes. But the reality is it required a lot of practice and skill and the willingness to do it. So it's not very realistic in chance
do you know anything about psionic modifications or constructs, can they be dangerous?
particularly constructs that are supposed to modify the way your body uses psi
I admit it's not in my area, but I believe they could, if programmed to overload or attack or cause harm
or they can drain you
it is possible to drain someon via aconstruct
ive seen it many times
on a related note
i believe the current theory on psi is that it is a sort of left over energy after nervous synapses have fired
which strikes me as odd that it would be dangerous to have too little in the body since it is just the waste or left overs of something
are there any more questions?
do you think that, maybe we can be fine with no psi energy in our body?
well considering that we naturally do, I wouldn't know
but if you have every been cut off from accessing and feeling psi, it leaves you very shaken, especially if you have a lot of experience using it
which I have
and being cut off is very disturbing and not very fun
ok thanks
anything else or I'm going to end it
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from my experience this is only temporary the overload causes a mental block cause it is harmful its kinda like being afraid to get hit if it happens once you dont want it to happen again .... what i any physical effects can constant overloads have on the body?

Well headaches, tiredness...um that's all I went through or can remember.

yes, I see the dangers of the force and my old master didn't though thats how he got killed.

Sorry to here of your loss Who was your Master? your are free to share memories if you wish....

I remember what I read about long ago concerning the practice of kundalini Yoga, which are breathing exercises designed to open ones energy centers.

The text warmed not to rush into the practices until an instructor said you were ready. If the person had blocks in their energy center related to unresolved mental traumas they experienced, then as the stored traumas were released, if the student was not ready to face these issues then the results could be various levels of insanity.

This was also why people were warned not to mix different occult practices.

"Some have problems because they are shown to little. Some have problems because they are shown to much." - by unknown

indeed imagine someone with a fear of water suddenly threw in.. the panic.. fear realised... some people will relax enough to swim, some will drown by their inability to adjust to the situation .. but in either case they where thrown in not by their own intentions... even if they swam they probably are not going jump right back in .. and some that sink and get pulled back out may jump back in again and again the rage of not being in control and the desire to overcome lend them to skip the beneficial progressive processes of one step at a time.

Also, people have died from shock even though their injuries weren't life threatening.